Jib sheet attachment

[brummel]

Hello,

When single-handing my 42 foot, 24,000 pound sloop, especially when short-tacking in a breeze, the number two jib sheet bowlines regularly used to hang up on the shrouds, however I configured the knots. Things are much improved since I changed to a continuous 9/16" Sta-Set sheet, ring hitched (luggage-hitched?) to the clew ring, backed up by a couple of seizings adjacent to the hitch. However, the "V" behind the aft seizing still hangs on the shrouds more than I would like.

Therefore, I am now considering brummel-hitching a new, continuous sheet, still 9/16" Sta-Set, to the clew ring, as shown in The Rigger's Apprentice, except with four tucks instead of two,( in view of the considerable loads on this line). The brummel splices I have used for other, admittedly less loaded, applications seem nicely to "open" up the "V" between the splice's legs completely, to 180 degrees, so I hope I will have no hanging whatsoever with this.

Does this sound reasonable? Are four tucks enough? Is there a better way? Is there a role for a Tylaska spool shackle, as mentioned by Bob? Is the present ring hitch sufficiently secure without the seizings, so that I could just cut them away?

Thanks for your thoughts.

[glynn]

I hope you don't get too excited when you see you have a reply here , but I have just fished out Brion's book to answer the same question, so can't wait for a proper answer.
Am I right in thinking all the line has to pass through the hole made by the fid, and if so is there an easier way?

Glynn

[Jim Fulton]

Based on the Apprentice and prior Spartalk postings, I switched from bowlines to buntline hitches for the genoa sheets. The buntline hitch is very compact and is much less likely to hang up on the shrouds. It's also very secure, so secure that it takes some work to get the sheets off at the end of the season.

Jim Fulton

[Bob Pingel]

I think the brummel would work nicely -- smooth and compact. I have only seen this done with one brummel.

The spool shackle is nice if you want to remove the sheets readily -- more of a raceboat sort of thing.

The only way I know of to brummel this to pass the whole length through -- well, half the length at least...

Bob

[Roy Moss]

Regarding the security of the ring hitch w/o seizings, I use (dbl braid) for the (continuous) genoa sheets and haven't seen it budge. see also "pedigree" variation:www.scoutingresources.org.uk/downloads/knots_cowhitch.pdf

[brummel]

Gents,

Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. Interesting times ahead, I can see.

Guy Buell

Make a small eye in end of the sheet and lash it to the clew ring with 8 or 10 turns of small diameter Dyneema cord such as Samson "Lash It". If you need to remove the sheet just cut the lashing.

[Brian Duff]

WOA!

First off you need THREE brummel tucks or the sheet can pull free on one side while pulling locked on the other. Four is not needed.

Second, a RING HITCH without seizings works fine, and the seizing are probably your problem...

Third, for snag free sheeting try either large OD shroud rollers and/or splicing sheets directly onto the sail.

We splice sheets directly onto the sail for all our cruising clients (when new sheets go on) as most never change headsails, and if you do a second set of sheets is just not that expensive considering how much it makes sailing easier.

[daninreno]

I've been using Brummeled jib sheets for four years now. They work very well and never hang on the stays. There have been no issues with them creeping or coming loose. Go for it, BTW you do have to pull the whole thing through but it doesn't take long especially with Brions phid.