Brummel on a closed Shackle/Ring

[Brion Toss]

One more thing,
Other than ring-hitching, which requires an extra-wide shackle bail, it is possible to make the McDonald Brummel if you have sufficiently loose-woven rope that you can put the shackle through it. There is a sporting limit here, but some ropes are loose enough that, with a small enough shackle, a long enough eye, and a gentle touch, it can be done.
Fair leads,
Brion Toss

[Brian Duff]

to claify cow hitch and ring hitch are uses to describe the same attachment technique.

Runners are generally attached to those t-term ring fittings with a cow hitch(ring hitch)

so are halyard shackles when the cover is stripped

[GlennB]

So, for future reference, if you splice a standard McDonnald Brummel, can you then put the loop through and pass the rest through the loop to attach it without signifigantly weakening the line? (endura)

In the meantime I spliced the brummel passing the 60' of line passing through the middle brummel, with 3 brummels (if that is how one referers to each loop), directly to the T toggle - Navtec-N743-07 T-RING,FITS N740-07 BACK PLT, so I assume this should be fine.

[Brian Duff]

haven't done any load testing here, but in practice I find lines directly spliced to shackles to be more worn or chaffed than lines that are ring hitched (when cover is stripped) so i prefer the latter

I am not sure what you mean about three brummels and the middle one... ?