What type Brummel?

[seawolf]

Hello all,
I started practicing the locked Brummel splice to possibly use on my lifelines.
I would like to feed the finished line through the holes in the stanchion caps and find with the locked Brummel, the total diameter of the soft splice is to big.

The original idea was to be able to feed the already spliced soft eyes through the stanchions for a completed ring hitch on the lifeline hardware.

I find I need a 9/16" hole in the stanchion to be able to slide a 1/4" amsteel soft eye splice
through with out to much trouble. This requires me to enlarge the stanchion holes that are approx. 7/16". (they are chromed bronze caps to the stanchions so should not be difficult to enlarge)
With the Locked Brummel I would require even a larger diameter hole.
Question:
Is there a more compact Brummel than that of the locked Brummel?,
or since the application of the line is not a loaded line has a halyard or running back, will a 72d bury with some good stitching along the bury suffice for this application.
It seems what the rope manufacturer suggests for their eye splice.

The boat has single line stanchions only, and is used for local coastal cruising.
Any ideas are very much appreciated.
Bob
Bob

[Bob Pingel]

You might not like this answer, but I would splice in place - at least one end. Not as comfy as your easy chair, but things should fit better.

The lock is there to hold the splice together during low loads. When the true load comes on, the tapered bury takes over. I think you'd have a potential for the stitching to pull out.

Bob

[seawolf]

Bob,
Thanks for the reply.
If my Brummels are tight and spaced well, I guess the net diameter of the line shouldn't be much larger than the soft eye closed.

I seemed to have a more compact eye splice using one locked Brummel and then a tapered bury as stated in Brion's Field book #5 illustration #14 under McDonald Brummel. Bonus splice. (I do not know if this is the name of the splice, or just an added one in his text).
I like the clean look of the one locked Brummel and the bury if it is strong enough.
What do you think?
If I have to splice at the boat, not a big deal.

One more thing:
I see there is no bury in a multiple Brummel knot.
Is there a compromise on how much to bury if you wanted to go with more than one Brummel, then bury some tail.
Thanks again for your help.
Bob

[Bob Pingel]

I have always used just one locked brummel and a bury. But I form the brummel using the McDonald method.

I have not measured, but the brummel should be no larger than the entry of the bury, both are formed from two whole diameters.

Multiple brummels, McDonald or not, I think are typically used with a bury. The big plus here is that you can form an eye with few to no tools.

Bob

[seawolf]

Bob,
Thanks for all the information. You have been very helpful.
Single McDonald Brummel and bury sounds like a winner.
All the best.
Bob