Sta-Set X eye splice problem

[whimsy]

I've been re-reading the NE Ropes Sta-Set X eye splice instructions and finding a couple points that are unclear to me, and perhaps somebody here can help me understand them:

• In step 6 (milk the cover back to bury the crossover) they say to keep tension on the exposed core. Does this mean to keep tension on the core with the tapered cover taped over it that I'm pulling the cover over? Or does it mean keep tension on the other side of the eye with the core going inside the cover at the crossover? When I try to maintain tension, I find it impossible to do it on BOTH sides of the eye at once, so I have to pick one of them.
• When I milk the cover back over the core and the splice, there are two directions I can work, and the directions don't give me clear guidance--I can milk it back from the knot toward the splice, or I can milk it down from the crossover along the (soon-to-be) eye, and up the double part of the splice...which pulls the tapered core tail back inside the cover...which is the obvious flaw in my last two splices.
• In step 5, this comment confused me: "Note: It may not be possible to bury the cover tail on every rope. If it is not possible then cross stitch and whip the cover tail to the outside of rope after burying the core." I'm seeing a result like this in some of my splices, but it isn't the cover tail which refuses to bury--in my case, it is the core tail which refuses to bury. I could whip over the tapered core tail a foot back from the eye to cover this.

Can anybody help me figure this out?

[SV Papillon]

First thing the knot is only to keep the core and cover together in relation to the lay of the line, on the eye you are applying tension to one side when you milk everything back together , if you have a small eye with a thimble a good trick is to use some small line and do several hitches on one side of the eye and thimble. If you remove the thimble and pull on the eye one side will start to pull your splice out the other side will want to bury the splice this is the side you put you small line with hitches on secure the small line then put some tension at your knot pulling on it then start milking it away from the eye keep working from the eye down the line.


Jake

[Brion Toss]

Hi again,
Keep tenion on the side of the eye that has the exposed core, and begin running the slack in. As soon as you see the cover around the eye begin to bunch up, STOP, and tension that side of the eye. The slack will go away. Resume on the core side, then again on the cover side, until the splice is home. Have you seen my video on this subject? Why do I bother?
Fair leads,
Brion Toss

PS,
What is the application here? Ordinarily, Sta-Set-X doesn't require a thimble, and it's easier to run home without one.

[whimsy]

Brion,

No, I haven't seen your splicing video. The explanation of how to pull that splice home really helps and makes more sense to me now.

This application is the standing part of my lazy jacks on my new junk rig. The top end will be shackled at the mast head, and the bottom end will have a line going through as the lower network in the topping lifts. (If I change my mind and make it running topping lifts, I expect to shackle a block on there instead of running a line through it)

I didn't chose Sta-Set X for this application--it just seemed like the best way to re-use workable lines I had from my old rig in my new rig.

Does anybody have a thought about that note in the NE Ropes splicing guide I mentioned earlier?

In step 5, this comment confused me: "Note: It may not be possible to bury the cover tail on every rope. If it is not possible then cross stitch and whip the cover tail to the outside of rope after burying the core." I'm seeing a result like this in some of my splices, but it isn't the cover tail which refuses to bury--in my case, it is the core tail which refuses to bury. I could whip over the tapered core tail a foot back from the eye to cover this.

[allene]

I may be missing something here but it looks like you have gotten past all the really difficult parts of making a splice in old line and just have to adjust your exit point a couple of inches to allow for the reduced flexibility of the old line. There is little harm in just going further down the line before you have the core exit as once it pulls itself inside, it will find its home. I think what I am saying is move the red line away from the end a couple of inches. There are parts of splicing old line that are very difficult and I think much of what you are reading relates to that but you are not having those problems so don't worry about that. As far as the splices you have made, you have to decide if you have enough core buried and then cut it off (taper it) and let it go back inside the cover. I don't think you want to leave it hanging out. If you don't have enough core buried, start over.

Allen